Comments on: Is CBAP experience more or less valuable, depending on the maturity of the software organization? http://www.bridging-the-gap.com/is-cbap-experience-more-or-less-valuable-depending-on-the-maturity-of-the-software-organization/ Advance Your Business Analysis Career Thu, 09 Feb 2012 00:08:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Laura (Brandau) Brandenburg http://www.bridging-the-gap.com/is-cbap-experience-more-or-less-valuable-depending-on-the-maturity-of-the-software-organization/comment-page-1/#comment-3737 Laura (Brandau) Brandenburg Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:22:04 +0000 http://www.bridging-the-gap.com/?p=1859#comment-3737 Hi Scott, Good point. I had a notion (which I hadn't shared in this post) that experience within only mature organizations was somehow limited. I think this perception was also at the root of my original tweet. If you'd only worked in a structured environment, you'd have a limited view of how to create change and do top-notch BA work. I like the phrase "tendency to seek out organizational constraints to provide context"...I'll need to save that one. It captures this idea that to be a great business analyst you need to not only be able to do BA work in a disciplined environment but create discipline in otherwise chaotic environments and you are often not doing this through process but through people. The more we write, the more @edilorenzo and I are on the same page after all. Laura Hi Scott, Good point. I had a notion (which I hadn’t shared in this post) that experience within only mature organizations was somehow limited. I think this perception was also at the root of my original tweet. If you’d only worked in a structured environment, you’d have a limited view of how to create change and do top-notch BA work. I like the phrase “tendency to seek out organizational constraints to provide context”…I’ll need to save that one. It captures this idea that to be a great business analyst you need to not only be able to do BA work in a disciplined environment but create discipline in otherwise chaotic environments and you are often not doing this through process but through people.

The more we write, the more @edilorenzo and I are on the same page after all.

Laura

]]> By: Scott Cave http://www.bridging-the-gap.com/is-cbap-experience-more-or-less-valuable-depending-on-the-maturity-of-the-software-organization/comment-page-1/#comment-3732 Scott Cave Tue, 03 Nov 2009 23:07:49 +0000 http://www.bridging-the-gap.com/?p=1859#comment-3732 As a software development firm owner, I would prefer a CBAP that has experience in several organizations of various maturity levels. A person of this type should have a good understanding of when you need to hold firm on the rules when to toss the BABOK out the window. While I'm obviously painting with a very broad brush here, my assumption would be that someone with only CMM lvl 1 experience isn't going to understand the benefits of creating a structured environment and executing a disciplined strategy. Meanwhile a CBAP with 10 years at a telco will have a tendency to seek out organizational constraints to provide context. As such, they aren't likely to come up with any original ideas anytime soon. As a software development firm owner, I would prefer a CBAP that has experience in several organizations of various maturity levels. A person of this type should have a good understanding of when you need to hold firm on the rules when to toss the BABOK out the window.

While I’m obviously painting with a very broad brush here, my assumption would be that someone with only CMM lvl 1 experience isn’t going to understand the benefits of creating a structured environment and executing a disciplined strategy. Meanwhile a CBAP with 10 years at a telco will have a tendency to seek out organizational constraints to provide context. As such, they aren’t likely to come up with any original ideas anytime soon.

]]> By: Laura (Brandau) Brandenburg http://www.bridging-the-gap.com/is-cbap-experience-more-or-less-valuable-depending-on-the-maturity-of-the-software-organization/comment-page-1/#comment-3701 Laura (Brandau) Brandenburg Thu, 29 Oct 2009 13:57:21 +0000 http://www.bridging-the-gap.com/?p=1859#comment-3701 Hi @Edilorenzo, thanks for your comment. Interesting take. I do see quite a bit of acknowledgment of CMM and definitely process improvement among business analysts. I actually think it's BAs who start at what would be considered a level 1 company who make the most inroads in terms of overall process improvement for their organizations. Laura Hi @Edilorenzo, thanks for your comment. Interesting take. I do see quite a bit of acknowledgment of CMM and definitely process improvement among business analysts. I actually think it’s BAs who start at what would be considered a level 1 company who make the most inroads in terms of overall process improvement for their organizations.

Laura

]]> By: Edilorenzo http://www.bridging-the-gap.com/is-cbap-experience-more-or-less-valuable-depending-on-the-maturity-of-the-software-organization/comment-page-1/#comment-3696 Edilorenzo Thu, 29 Oct 2009 01:03:00 +0000 http://www.bridging-the-gap.com/?p=1859#comment-3696 I think my motivation in the original tweet was to foster interest in CMMI in the BA community - improve the BA process not of the individual BA, but of the organization they belong to. Not doing so increases the likelihood of failure no matter how good the BA. Having projects fail with CBAP holders is not healthy for the profession. There are 2 important external inputs to BABOK knowledge areas - Enterprise Architecture (3 KA's) and Organizational Process Assets (5 KA's). These then are obvious candidates for future extensions and in the case of the latter one which we should seek to effect sooner than later. I think my motivation in the original tweet was to foster interest in CMMI in the BA community – improve the BA process not of the individual BA, but of the organization they belong to. Not doing so increases the likelihood of failure no matter how good the BA. Having projects fail with CBAP holders is not healthy for the profession.

There are 2 important external inputs to BABOK knowledge areas – Enterprise Architecture (3 KA’s) and Organizational Process Assets (5 KA’s). These then are obvious candidates for future extensions and in the case of the latter one which we should seek to effect sooner than later.

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